Sunday, January 1, 2017

Naked in Locker Rooms: Voices from the past 1a




runr

naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:01AM


Something has been bugging me for quite some time, but I can't exactly bring up the subject with the culprits: What's with all the guys who resist wearing towels in the locker rooms of athletic clubs? I'm using the plural because, though I only belong to one club, I assume the phenomenon is widespread. I'm not a prude, but there's something really creepy about flabby 60-year-olds standing shaving/gabbing/strolling etc. buck naked when they could easily wrap towels around their waists.

My theory, for what it's worth, is that many of these people have not participated in high school or college athletics, thereby learning a few important things about locker room etiquette. I ran track and xc in college not long ago, and everybody wore towels except, naturally, in the shower. There's just no reason to display your garbage to the world if you don't have to.

If you're one of the no-towel types, I'd like to hear why you do it.



girlie
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:03AM - in reply to runr


Women do it too. Pretty gross.




You Can't Be Serious
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:03AM - in reply to runr


naked guy in the locker room who invades my space and insists and getting far to close to me or others is truly disgusting. serious social violation.





Flagpole Willy
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:07AM - in reply to runr

{ The photo at the left is one of this blog's author.}

  Personally I wear a towel all the time except for   the few seconds I don't have to while getting    dressed or getting in the shower, but that is only    because Flagpole Willy cares about everyone   and  their feelings.

 Don't want everyone else feeling badly about  their shortcomings you know.




mmm, naked 60 yr olds
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:07AM - in reply to You Can't Be Serious


People that age grew up with different norms for locker room behavior. When they were kids they actually showered after gym class. I doubt it was because they lack your vast experience as an athlete; if anything, people who never spent time in locker rooms tend to cower in corners.

Besides, if I haven't showered yet, I don't wrap my towel around my sweaty body. Why get the towel dirty to avoid offending your sexual insecurities?




Pauncho
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:09AM - in reply to runr


It was easy to wrap a towel around myself when I was a young runner. When you grow a gut, you can't keep the damn towel on, and it just falls on the floor anyway.




Sound and Vision
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 7:11AM - in reply to You Can't Be Serious


This is an interesting viewpoint. I am a twenty-something and in college and in high school, the people who wore towels, of which I once was, were looked upon with contempt and disgust. I think the rationale was that those individuals had very small penises and were hiding them or else they were afraid of revealing their erections it was presumed they might be having (although I am not sure a towel would do much to hide an erection, that was the logic used by teenagers). Before long, I ditched the towel and found it didn't really bother me or anyone else. I personally am not offended by any person who goes without a towel nor do I scoff at those who carry one. It seems pretty irrelevant. I don't know what social norms are expected in a place like a locker room, but I either don't know them or I ignore them.

On an interesting side note, I went to a female friends apartment last night to spend some time there, and upon entering, I found one of them completely nude in her shower--natually--and one of her other roommates standing there combing her hair in the same bathroom with the door wide open. Being a gentleman, I chose not to stand there and gawk but I did see enough to figure out that neither girl appeared disconcerted or bothered by the one naked female. I guess this means girls, or at least these two, don't appear to have the same hangup guys do.

S&V




assfucker
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 7:15AM - in reply to runr


runr: cry me a river




peeper

RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 7:26AM - in reply to Sound and Vision


S&V, Next time you visit your friends please bring a digital camera and snap a shot to share with us all. It might not be the gentlemanly thing to do, but it would be the manly/humanitarian thing to do (unless you friend's naked showering friend is a sorry sight. If that is the case, I feel for you).




Ex-Ivy
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 7:56AM - in reply to assfucker





In college, I always enjoyed the freedom of wandering around the locker room with my johnson unleashed. The locker room was sort of a johnson-free zone-- our private space, where we could crank up some tunes after a workout and let things swing.... Now there were guys who would do things like wear sandles into the shower... these dudes usually whipped their towels tightly around their small packages immediately upon exiting, usually after a nervous 20 second shower. These guys usually snuck in an extra half mile on the warmdown to hit their log goal, and usually had to get back to their dorm right away to study engineering. They let loose maybe once per season, getting ridiculously trashed at team parties.

Other guys took it too far, sitting around reading shit, going from locker to locker talking trash, laying out on benches, and in one memorable case, eating a tuna fish sandwich, completely buck naked, almost luxuriating in their manhood. Most of these guys did pretty well with the ladies, as I recall, and often drank heavily on weeknights at local townie bars. They sometimes initiated interesting discussions, such as the relative merits of attending class commando-style, their favorite "nookie pants," and their perception of various ladies' preferences with regard to respective johnsons.
There was rarely any open package-checking, but once in a while, some big swinging dick would declare himself king of the johnsons and call out a particular dude for a faceoff. I don't recall any of these competitions ever getting off the ground, but there was generally money wagered, sides chosen up and lots of poiontless dick comments fired back and forth.

I fell somewhere in between, feeling pity for the dudes who were ashamed of their action, but wishing some of these other guys would pack it in from time to time. Nowadays, I basically change quickly in small stalls, usually in a hurry. I miss the locker room atmosphere, but upon reflection, its probably not because of the johnsons.



Now I'm in my 30's and haven't wandered around naked in front of other guys in a while, except for a trip to Europe, but that's different. I remember a July 4th barbecue with some bare-assed antics too, but there were chicks there, so I guess that doesn't count either. I'd welcome an old-timers day, I suppose, although I'd probably be more turned off by the guts involved, including my own,than anything else. I don't know what it means, but as I write this from my office, I bet my colleagues outside would be shocked by my bare-assed history and would think I was a bit freewheeling, which makes me somehow feel like I'm in the wrong job.

Sometimes I'll come out of the shower in my place and walk around without a towel, and then realize that the curtains are open and my neighbors can probably see. I'll feel a momentary embarassment and go for the blinds, but then I'll say the hell with it, this is my place and my johnson, so what do I care?




Mop Boy
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 8:11AM - in reply to Ex-Ivy


Ex-Ivy,
Didn't I catch you hiding under the bench in the sauna of the men's locker room at Bally's last week.
You really WAX reminiscent about your old locker room.




Typical American
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 8:32AM - in reply to


Americans are very uncomfortable with their bodies and their sexuality.




You Can't Be Serious
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 8:33AM - in reply to


I have no problems with dudes walking around bare ass nekid. The ones that get me are those who bring their junk a little too close to you and/or others with changing and conversing. There are just certain levels of proper locker room decorum.




D3 Running
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 8:41AM - in reply to You Can't Be Serious


rediculous... my god... if you cannot stand to see the guys' packages then don't look if you truely don't want. just cuz you see a guys wang doesn't mean that you're gay or that they are trying to make people uncomforatable by having it out. Our team walks around naked all the time and we just have a good laugh about it and don't think about it anymore. it makes for some good jokes and what not. get over your fear of being thought of as gay and rock out with your cock out




You Can't Be Serious
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 8:43AM - in reply to D3 Running


read what i wrote. not your interpretation of it.




laissez-faire
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 9:25AM - in reply to You Can't Be Serious


naked communal showers make for more socially well-adjusted men. there is truly nothing to hide in this life, if not the johnson. if girls' teams had communal showers, maybe they wouldn't be such headcases. or maybe it would be worse.





Ex-Ivy
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 9:32AM - in reply to laissez-faire


I agree... its sort of an equalizer. I notice that at communal poools in Europe.

Women would probably feel less insecure and uptight about their bodies if they hung out in locker room settings with lots of naked chicks. (Or maybe I just like the idea of it).





girlie
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 11:38AM - in reply to laissez-faire


It would definitely make things worse.




oksxccoach
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 11:54AM - in reply to girlie


yea, if they are naked 60 something year old men or women for that manner, it is an "old timer" thing... when they were our age (late teens and twenties) they walked around their locker rooms naked. the women on the other hand during that era probably did not, but I don't know. I don't know, but that is what my grandfather said and he is 80 and his dad taught him to wear a towel around the locker room because it was rude to have your junk exposed.






CO-Runner
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 11:59AM - in reply to runr


Judging from the lenght of running "shorts" that most of you young guys weart ... none of this surprises me. All of you guys are riddled with "queer fear" ... get over it.


skylon
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 12:25PM - in reply to runr


Two points. One, we are living in the age when wearing shorts that are splits is akin to running around naked, and will get you beat up in places--people somehow got real uptight about these things, and we are in a real uptight time period in general. Two, maybe us older dudes are just more comfortable about nudity and our lumpy bodies in general--I mean, like I CARE what some 22 year old kid thinks of me? On the flipside, that 22 year old is still pretty damn close to the age when everything he does, think, or says is judged by his kiddie peers, and he better err on the safe side and cover up or else. But, I do agree about the thing about "personal space"--I don't want some dude's sweat on me, so watch where you're swinging that thing...lol.




average johnson
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 1:38PM - in reply to skylon


Well, at risk of unleashing Seinfeld "it shrinks?" jokes, I'm not looking all that manly after a long run. Or in the shower immediately after, for that matter. If I didn't wear a towel, I'd have to try to explain to all the non-runner gym rats that "it is all that it appears to be, and more!" despite, um, present post-run shrinkage. What do swimmers do?




elaine
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 1:42PM - in reply to average johnson


I don't know how you guys walk around with those things.




foot long schlong
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 4:13PM - in reply to average johnson


average johnson,

The solution to your problem in to do the yank of confidence before exiting the shower or dropping your towel completely. This will no only make you feel better and more confident than ever, it will make everyone else around you feel less sorry for you and your shriveled, undersized cock.



I'm a grower not a shower
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/31/2004 11:01PM - in reply to foot long schlong


I have a similar problem. Not braggin but Ive got a nine incher but I swear the f***er shrinks to like 2, 2 1/2 inches when Im not turned on. No lying. I dont have to be cold or anything, I just hang poorly when flacid. I sometimes think I should sport a woody in the shower just one time so as to shut up the snickers from teammates who dont know Im so well endowed but this would have its downsides too cause I aint a homo. Anyone else have such a big differential between the flacid and arouse states.




D1 Runner
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 5:00PM - in reply to I'm a grower not a shower


Nahhh man it's cool to show off your package in the locker room. In fact, our team does a naked 400 every week. However, when that happens, girls come out and run too to see what all the fuss is about.



XC recruitgirl
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 5:01PM - in reply to I'm a grower not a shower


When I was a freshman in high school we were in the go-between thing between guys and girls locker rooms and two naked guys (football players0 walked in totally naked. It was realy gross one was my brother's best friend they were seniors and we were only freshman. Guys who walk around naked in locker rooms must be gay, me and my friends could never look at them again without laughing.



XC recruitgirl
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 5:02PM - in reply to XC recruitgirl


PS we were in the go betwen getting our cross country uniforms from the coach, that is where uniforms were stored.

comfortable
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 10:03PM - in reply to XC recruitgirl


I like to shower in the locker room and keep my eye out for guys that are obviously uncomfortable with nakedness, then i put my towel over my shoulders and walk up to them and talk to them. even better if they are sitting on the bench, puts their eyeline right at ball height. during the convo they are all squirmy and uncomfortable and dont know where to look, its great, everyone who is comfortable in the locker room should do this.
The origonal poster of this thread is one of those guys who wears his towel, then pulls his whitey tighties up underneath it. how sad.



locker room stud
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 10:52PM - in reply to oksxccoach


When I was in high school (last year), there was no such thing as a personal space bubble. The borderline between "funny because it's gay" and "bad because it's actually gay" was never reached. I was sitting on the floor tying my shoes one day and a naked teammate ran up to me and wiped his sweaty asscrack across my head like you would scan a credit card. Ah, the good old days.




Proud Parents
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 4:22AM - in reply to locker room stud


lovely dude. that's not gay, that's not funny. that's just down right disgusting.
locker room stud wrote:

When I was in high school (last year), there was no such thing as a personal space bubble. The borderline between "funny because it's gay" and "bad because it's actually gay" was never reached. I was sitting on the floor tying my shoes one day and a naked teammate ran up to me and wiped his sweaty asscrack across my head like you would scan a credit card. Ah, the good old days.




Phil.
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 5:10AM - in reply to runr


runr wrote:

Something has been bugging me for quite some time, but I can't exactly bring up the subject with the culprits: What's with all the guys who resist wearing towels in the locker rooms of athletic clubs? I'm using the plural because, though I only belong to one club, I assume the phenomenon is widespread. I'm not a prude, but there's something really creepy about flabby 60-year-olds standing shaving/gabbing/strolling etc. buck naked when they could easily wrap towels around their waists.



Sorry to break this to you but yes you are a prude!

My theory, for what it's worth, is that many of these people have not participated in high school or college athletics, thereby learning a few important things about locker room etiquette. I ran track and xc in college not long ago, and everybody wore towels except, naturally, in the shower. There's just no reason to display your garbage to the world if you don't have to.

Your theory is wrong, back in the day we weren't so insecure as you obviously are and someone wearing a towel would have been rather strange. Certainly putting a towel on to go to the shower after XC or Rugby when you're covered in mud would have been crazy! Communal showering was usually a surprise when first encountered at about 12yo but everyone got over it fairly rapidly, clearly you didn't. The fact that you refer to it as 'garbage' clearly indicates a problem and I suggest counselling.

If you're one of the no-towel types, I'd like to hear why you do it.

Because showering naked is normal and being naked in a locker room is nothing to get hung up about!



Bobby Knight
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 6:04AM - in reply to Phil.


Prudes indeed. I take a dump - wipe my ass - show the used toilet paper to my team and the next thing you know they say I was harrassing them. Getting naked, shitting together and watching German Poop tapes this is the stuff of Champions.




Buffalo Alumni
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 7:02AM - in reply to runr


During my first couple years at UB we (the mens team) had an unspoken rule about nakedness in the locker room. There was none! With only one exception though. The biggest, baddest distance runner on the team (George) could go without the fig leave. Why? Because if you said anything to him about his exposer he would jump you, and wrestle you to the ground buck naked! Very disturbing!




mormons are funny
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 8:48AM - in reply to Buffalo Alumni


the mormons at my high school wear towels around them WHEN showering in the locker rooms. it's kinda funny, cuz then they grab their clothes and go into the bathroom stalls w/ the locks on them and change into their clothes so no one can see them w/ their clothes off. I on the other hand take off everything and eat breakfast while taking my shower. it feels good, and i don't care if they see me, it's not like they've never seen something like it before. Plus after 8 miles at 5 AM, I don't really care what you think about me.



Uncle Billsby
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/31/2004 11:01PM - in reply to CO-Runner


So you're saying we should just f*** that 60 year old man in the ass in front of his kids?




southsiderunner
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 2:58PM - in reply to Uncle Billsby


haha, adam sandler...classic



ray
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/21/2003 1:04AM - in reply to southsiderunner



I think an earlier poster hit it on the head. I'm 51. when I was in Junior High, we were told we all had to shower after gym class. Now I see kids on the high school teams go into stalls to change into their shorts. When my dad brought me to the Y for the first time, I couldn't believe everyone swam naked. Same thing at the old North End Boys Club.

And yes, how about a little title nine enforcement on the girls shower situation. Why they had individual stalls and we had the prison camp setting can't be good for their self image.

It is truly weird that today's youth are so sexually liberated, promiscuous at a very young age, and yet so hung up on their bodies. Splain that to me Lucy.




hkd
RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/21/2003 2:29AM - in reply to ray


"I like to shower in the locker room and keep my eye out for guys that are obviously uncomfortable with nakedness, then i put my towel over my shoulders and walk up to them and talk to them. even better if they are sitting on the bench, puts their eyeline right at ball height. during the convo they are all squirmy and uncomfortable and dont know where to look, its great, everyone who is comfortable in the locker room should do this.
The original poster of this thread is one of those guys who wears his towel, then pulls his whitey tighties up underneath it. how sad."

We had a guy on the team and I will never forgett this. He would do the above exactly. Walk up to a freshmen who was very uncomfortable. He would walk up towel on head put lean up against the lockers with his junk a fott from there head and say "listen John a couple of upper classman have been getting together, we have been talking (we think you are a hard worker, we really like your attitude, all serious stuff and finish with)we all think you have got a really nice cock. It was hilarious. The reaction was priceless.




Saturday, December 31, 2016

Dune Discovery: Nude photo shoots, and naked cruising at Maspalomas


I also share David's (atitlan) enthusiastic memories of the Island of Gran Canaria described below.
However, mine are much more recent because I have visited it every March since 2005 (except for last year). So it was refreshing to return to the the island and its dunes this March to find it basically unchanged and just as cruisy. I also saw many cases of exactly what he describes below. There are straight (seemingly... at least) guys who go out singly or in pairs or more into the dunes away from the crowds of either clothed or nude sunbathers along the beach to take a few private naked photos. It was interesting to watch them do so - although I hesitated to take any photos of two straights taking candid nude pics of each other. Besides, there were plenty of other 'distracting' activities going on in the dunes and among the bushy stands of tree found in the low areas between them.




Atitlan's post:
These are almost certainly the dunes between the resorts of Maspalomas and Playa del Ingles on the south coast of Gran Canaria in the Spanish Canary Islands off the African coast.
We have posted many Maspalomas images here previously, nowadays a big gay destination with a vibrant nightlife and a crowded male-only nudist section on the beach.

When I visited first aged 24, the resort area was about a tenth of the size it is now and not gay at all. The 3-mile beach other than around the hotels of Playa and the lighthouse at Maspalomas was virtually deserted.

However the dunes proved to be something of a magnet for certain young men from the city of Las Palmas to the north.

Not many of them, maybe half a dozen at any one time across the huge expanse of dunes, unlike the hundred and more tourists to be found among the bushes these days. Back then I was the only tourist in the dunes. The men I would see tended to look and act like the guy in the attached photo, average age 21, dressed in shorts, speedos or nothing at all and with obvious intentions. I don't know how the image here came to be taken but
it certainly brings back happy memories!
atitlan



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I go every year to Gran Canaria in March (this year in May was my 7th trip). So when asked to give some advice about flights or accommodations there I wrote the following:

The pics show me naked out in the Maspalomas Dunes, which can be reached on foot from the Playa del Ingles beach or by walking back from the shoreline toward central Playa del Ingles (town).  The major gay nightlife is usually found in and around the Yumbo Center, a large 4-story shopping complex, with numerous restaurants, souvenirs shops, fashion stores, etc. It becomes the local gay mecca sometimes after 11pm each night and is active until 3-4am. There are also sex clubs located within the Yumbo, mostly on the ground floor level, mixed in with the gay bars, several which have drag shows and strip shows.  
You can sometimes find good bargains for flights and hotels to Gran Canaria on the major travel booking sites, but not always the most popular ones, like Orbitz, Yahoo Travel, or Expedia. 
Instead take at look at:   http://www.alpharooms.com     http://www.booking.com


[Note:  Several of the photos is this blog post are of the author's vacationing nude on Gran Canaria.]




Thursday, December 29, 2016

The idea of a gay clothing-optional camping resort


Part of a discussion on another phpBB forum discussion board. The topic was discussing the idea of male-only clothing-optional RV park, camping center, or gay resort. I spent a lot of energy thinking about this kind of project --probably because I really like the 'seed' of the idea. My advice was to approach is a vision - one that needed a real (and well-researched) business plan.
lilcowboy
I flash underneath my clothes


Joined: 11 Aug 2008
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: Male only clothing optional


I have been in a debate with people about an idea i had and hoping the readers of this forum can help me.

I would like to open a clothing optional private RV park for men only. I am being informed that it wouldn't be a hit and i am being told yes it would. I would like to know if other men would possibly be interested in such a park as a get away to relax and play in the sun.

For the relaxing side i was thinking of a pool with a couple of hot tubs, with indoor/outdoor showers, maybe putt-putt golf. Of course the ideas could be endless and maybe you can suggest some relaxing activities.

Would this be a good investment? This would be open to all men that are of legal age 18 and up.

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toras
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Location: Toronto

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:59 am Post subject:

Depends on where you are located; if you are near a sizeable gay population it might attract enough clientele. Hear in Southern Ontario/Northern New York area there are 1 or 2 similar places I think.
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TightGearShowoff
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:49 am Post subject:


I agree, it does depend on your location. RV camping can be done all year, but I'm not sure how many gay RVers there are these days, but if you were to combine it with camping (seasonal) and choose a private location..that has a wooded area..hot tub/pool/showers etc..I think you may be onto something.

It might be a good idea to have a day use policy too so guys can come and relax, use the facilities and romp with the campers and guys in RV's.

You might do beer bust or bbq on weekends..stuff like that. Make the food free (build it into the costs) but charge a flat fee for the beer. If it were near a river for swimming...even better....but you may get traffic floating by.

Good luck!

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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject:


If you are marketing towards gay guys, then you may have some success. You will also have guys banging and sucking each other all over the park -- especially at night. Not sure of the laws, but that may lead to the police getting involved.



 There is a difference between a clothing optional RV park and a gay sex club.

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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:06 am Post subject:


You'll need to do more market research .. than ask the infrequent and random member of this site. How many (such RV and camping sites with 'resort' facilities) can you find in your area? Statewide, provincial (CA), nationally (or internationally - CA/Mex)? Visit or talk by phone the owner/operators of several.

I think you should not be fixed on just doing a 'RV' gay camp site. With the price of gasoline, fewer people are rushing out to buy huge RVs.

Some important things have already been said. But are you limiting the idea too much? males only, RVs only, 1-person operation?

On what kind of scale are you thinking of making this?

Enough for 5 RV (parked on 1-acre or less, or a 20 - 200 acre spread?
Do you expect to run it alone or are you going to have employees? (opening yourself up to the possibilities -- also - opens you up to a lot of liabilities too.
I'm not nixing the idea - just asking and advising you to think and also gather more information.

You need a business plan and also have a vision of how the vision might grow (change) in the next 5 - 10 - 20 years.

The male-only requirement seems a little drastic -if not downright discriminatory (not in the legal sense) - although it might be (needs checking).

By doing so, it seems you aren't really thinking about it as a money-making business. So you need to sort out what you're really trying to do: have access to your own 'private' sex club, make extra money, create a business (investment, capital expenditures, employees, taxes, accounting, etc),

If you make it a gay camping resort, then it's likely that 85% of your customers will be men, 10% lesbian couples, and 5% would be wives, girlfriends, fag hags, daughters, sisters, because some gay men are married or travellng with female companions.or family.

If you make it simply a clothing optional instead of 'gay', I honestly don't think these basic numbers will change a whole lot -- for example 70% would be gay men and male couples, 10% lesbian, and 20% mixed. You should be able to confirm these numbers by surveying some current owner-operators.




You're also likely to get more year-round guests, and have more men who don't identify themselves as 'gay' but who want to be with other naked men (maybe seems a contradiction - but I think it happens a lot).


Only RVs? That's too limiting. If you have the right amount of land and a good location, then why limit it to RVers? Generally, they are retirees, reasonably well off financially (esp if they are not retired), they travel in couples and they tend to herd (many RVs want to go where their nomadic RV 'friends' go). They stay a long time, too, esp if the weather is warmer in winter where you are.

It would be good to have a multiple-use type of camping resort: RV sites, tent camping sites, small cabins/A-frames, a lodge with dining facilities (the restaurant alone could draw in people), day-use passes, etc.

If you can't do it all at once, then at least plan with the idea of possibly growing the business in mind.


Also, there are any number of other expansion possibilities to bring in guests who want a vacation, or those who want to spend a day-two out of the city (and like being naked to do so), by having the resort be MORE than just a place to sleep and sit in the sun.

Location is your biggest obstacle - are you going to move to the best location for such a place or are you going to build it in your backyard -- Build it and they will cum (pun intended). Is your area conducive to such a place? In every sense ....?

Still it's been done before -- who would have thought a small rural community 40 miles outside of Knoxville (TN) would support Timberfell Lodge


All of these places have a central type of clientele that makes them successful.

Try to find out what the clientele will be in your area? RVers only (aging baby boomers - which are still a forced to be reckoned with) or a mix of gay and gay-tolerant YUPs (young urban professionals). My impression is that today's affluent gay baby-boomers can afford and want more from an outdoor (camping resort) type vacation.

Having stuff (eating / activities / consumer-oriented (shop/gifts,classes/culture, etc or even entertainment) for guests that could also be used by passers-throug or short or day-time visitors and local residents might generate income -- of course, it makes the business larger and somewhat more difficult to manage -- In that case then, you cannot do it alone.

These might include:
a shop for local artisans or locally made food products/souvenirs), a museum of "___", a theater (for performing arts, music, gay plays, film festival, or not... ), classes and seminars (yoga , dance, bodywork, massage, spiritual training, arts/crafts, artists-in-resident, etc), gym-workout facilities, with sauna/jacuzzi


Staffing them becomes your second biggest problem -- (not always a problem since if you pay well and have good working conditions and know how to manage people effectively, your resort could become a very nice place to work. You would be able to recruit instead of just taking any Tom, Dick or Harry who needs a job.



Well ... I've given you the $2500 lesson in business planning ...  send a check (LOL) to Sunbuns Consulting, Inc. -- just kidding. But you might have a great idea -- do you have the stamina, energy, vision, and drive to accomplish it? Do you the money or the source of funding for such a project? (Note: More of the first three qualities are needed than the latter.)

Hey... I've been to several such outdoors-oriented camping resorts in many locations (internationally and in the US).
A couple of examples are: Timberfell Lodge in Tennessee and Kalani Oceanside Resort (kalani.com) - they are representative of the kind of place that I would build if I were doing this business.

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The spirit is willing but the flash is week day and weekend!
Sincerely,
Kelly